now when I start a new character I 'help' Roy enough until he gives me the ghoul mask - then I unleash death on him and his pig followers - I'll take the karma hit it's worth it to be rid of him. so, how was I rewarded?, that *ick murdered everyone in the tower. On my very first playthrough, I 'helped' Roy, I even convinced the tennants of Tenpenny to allow the ghouls in. I don't consider offing him, murder - he's a hypocritical bigot with a huge chip on his shoulder. All this said, I prefer the Tower to be human-inhabited, I prefer this ambience rather than the other. No matter what his decision is later, you opted to kill, when you had an opportunity to NOT kill.

It does not matter what Roy decides to do later, that is HIS deal. You get bad karma for killing Roy and his followers, because you are murdering them. Taylor Tifany Posts: 3555 Joined: Sun 7:22 am Its not like when we are in Oblivion and have 'unseen forces' watching us. I can understand the scripting/AI not distinguishing the wastelander thing but killing a slaver thats 'minding his business' as they say is different than raiders and creatures attacking the player unprovoked. Ricky Meehan Posts: 3364 Joined: Wed 5:42 pm No way for the game to tell it was a desperate rescue attempt. However you might say you support and expand slavery by doing so it's bad.Īnd you have the cases who is impossible for the game engine to judge, I once tried to save a wastelander from a radscorpion, Long range and the wastelander was very low in health, Tried a sneak shot on the radscorpion in VAT, around 30% chance for hit but hit the wastelander instead, I got negative karma for murder.

Same way, enslaving raiders give bad karma, now if I was a raider I would prefer being enslaved than killed.

Negotiating so the ghouls can live in Tenpenny tower sounds good, yes it's go to hell but it was no way for you to know, yes had you heard Roy discuss that he wanted to kill everybody it would change everything. If take the caps and go out and kill him and his gang it's evil as he has not done anything. Lots of pretty fussy decisions who make karma hard to sett. It doesn't make sense any more that the fact you can hunt down slavers and shoot them on sight for good karma. Roy threatens everyone in Tenpenny and he's a 'good' guy even after murdering all the residents (assuming he's permitted to live)? Sorry. The whole karma idea is bugged throughout the game.

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